She said: "There are some people who are just "there". They are present for everything and experience every sight, every smell, every voice. There are always fully there. When you meet someone like that, it can be difficult to deal with because, I think, that it is so rare to meet someone like that. They are always fully there; never withdrawn or "spaced out". They don't fade away in mid- conversation. They listen to you and respond in a way that lets you know that they have heard you and understand and have something positive to contribute. These people, wherever they are, are the grace among the ruins."

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