He said: "Oh, I knew them. They lived just down the street, on 30th. I also saw them at Max's where they came almost every night. They were regulars in all of the "hip" places to be. I talked with her a bit once, about her sketches which were in some ways very disturbing, but I couldn't really look away. They were, for what they were, very good. He was a painter and a photographer. His images were all very blurry and dark, and he spent a lot of time in the darkroom getting them just right. They were mostly prints of young people. Later he did a lot of strange nudes that, for a time, caused a stir. They were a couple, I guess. You never saw one without the other. They were ahead of their time. It's too bad that they didn't live long enough to see the the time that they were so ahead of. It was a crazy time then. Things are calmer now."

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