He said: "you know, it aint like it was back then. It was always lit up, you know? But it wasn't always so bright. There were a lot of places in New York that you could hardly see at all after sun down. Some of the places we played didn't have no electricity for lights. Or for heat even. I guess those places were not exactly legal, but they were a place to place, so we played there. The usual was that we'd start showing up around midnight or so and start playing around 2 AM. By that time everyone who was planning on coming came. Sometimes we'd have a whole orchestra or sounds to play with. Other times all that we could squeeze out might be a quartet or so. Sometimes we had a singer, but mostly not cause who would want to sing behind all that mess? We had a good time, tho. We all learned a lot about music and about each other. Those were the good times you hear the older cats talking about. It sure 'nuf was a good time, yes sir."

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